![]() Immortal souls become, in a sense, mortal when joined with mortal bodies and they The fragment can be explained by Heraclitus’ belief in reincarnation. Those” and “mortals immortals” with “having died to life of those,” rather than That the phrase “immortals mortals” should be connected with “living death of Having died (dead) life of those” (Hippolytus, Ref. Says that “immortals mortals, mortals immortals, living death of those, Heraclitus himself is said to be a believer in reincarnation: So, OP, if you’re still reading, keep in mind this a purely religious interpretation: From an orphic perspective, Hades is not the end of it all. I’m walking a bit on eggs because I know OP is not a religious practionner and my following mainly is. Without going into too much detail, it raises questions about the interpretation of certain orphic texts because some passages could imply this theory among other possibilities. The difficulty is that even in the scope of orphic studies the Hades-Dionysus as a single deity does not show up again. The fact that he is veryoften cited in the Derveni Papyrus also hints towards his philosophy being important to the understanding of the orphism of the time (there is a whole chapter on the topic of Heraclitus in the Derveni Papyrus in T he Derveni Papyrus: Cosmology, Theology and Interpretation by Gabor Betegh). That is, the Orphism Heraclitus knows about in the 5th century BC seems to have already changed in the 4th. His idea is absolutely not a generalized one, to the point where it is not verifiable over time. Heraclitus refers specifically and precisely to orphism. This is a very complicated topic actually. ![]() You could read further into Kerényi’s interpretation of Dionysus in his book, Dionysos: Archetype of Indestructible Life.Īnyways, hope this answers your question!! ![]() So they were a unification of the two extremes of existence- Dionysus representing a fullness of life and Hades representing the inevitable end of it all, death (which makes for some really nice visual and poetic imagery).įurthermore, Karl Kerényi (a scholar dude) notes that when Persephone went missing, Demeter refused to drink wine which is kinda like, Dionysus’ thing so that could be interpreted as saying that Demeter was really pissed at Dionysus/Hades who had taken her daughter, implying that Persephone is Dionysus’ wife. But Dionysus, in whose honor they rave in bacchic frenzy, and Hades are the same…” (Fragment of Heraclitus (5th BC), quoted by Clement of Alexandria 2nd CE. He says this, “… For were it not Dionysus to whom they institute a procession and sing songs in honour of the pudenda, it would be the most shameful action. so uhh, quite ashamedly i read it on the universe’s most reliable source of information, wikipedia, but i did some more research on it, and basically, it’s the interpretation given by the greek philosopher Heraclitus. ![]() Yep yep valid question! anon is referring to my tags on this post. ![]()
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